Defining Ambulatory Surgery: Responses from the Listserv

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    Re: Defining Ambulatory Surgery: Responses from the Listserv

    Outpatient surgery(OP)is defined as invasive or non-invasive procedures requiring any form of anesthetic, performed on the same day scheduled, or in rare instances when there are complications, requiring an overnight stay.

    rra1@columbia.edu [mailto:rra1@columbia.edu]

     

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    Currently, we at the Office of Health Care Statistics, Utah Department of Health, define inpatients as patients that spend at least one night (or at least 24 hours) in the hospital/facility and outpatients as patients that do not spend the night (or less than 24 hours) in the hospital/ facility.  However, during a recent consultation with medical specialists who perform laparoscopic gallbladder removal, we have learned that hospitals do not always distinguish inpatients and outpatients this way.  Sometimes "outpatients" remain in the hospital overnight (or longer than 24 hours) for "observation."  Or an outpatient who is scheduled for a surgery or procedure late in the day may stay overnight.  We find a few cases among about a quarter of a million "outpatient" discharges annually that have lengths of stay longer than one calendar day and that apparently were not admitted as "inpatients."

     

    Carol Masheter, Ph.D.Epidemiologist II
    Office of Health Care Statistics
    Utah Department of Health
    P.O. Box 144004
    Salt Lake City, UT  84114-4004
    801-538-6355
    801-538-9916 (FAX)
     
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    In our National Survey of Ambulatory Survey, we collect information on surgical and nonsurgical procedures performed on an outpatient basis in a hospital or freestanding ambulatory surgery center’s general operating rooms, and other specialized rooms such as endoscopy units and cardiac catheterization labs. Does this help? -cb

    Burt, Catharine W. (CDC/CCHIS/NCHS) [mailto:cwb2@cdc.gov]

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    Definition from the National Survey of Ambulatory Surgery (NSAS):  

    Ambulatory surgery refers to surgical and nonsurgical procedures performed on an outpatient basis in a hospital or freestanding ambulatory surgery center’s general operating rooms, and other specialized rooms such as endoscopy units and cardiac catheterization labs.

     

    Hing, Esther S. (CDC/CCHIS/NCHS) [mailto:esh2@cdc.gov]
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    Re: Defining Ambulatory Surgery: Responses from the Listserv

    From The New Jersey Administrative Code, N.J.A.C.  

    Financial Monitoring And Reporting Regulations

    8:31B-3.11 Same day surgery (a) Same Day Surgery is considered an alternative mode of health care delivery which the Department of Health and Senior Services considers to be efficient and worthy of encouragement. Same Day Surgery is intended to lower the cost of health care and provide the appropriate level of care to patients who are otherwise classified as inpatients. The patient, by definition: 1. Is identified on the Uniform Bill-Patient Summary (UB-PS) as a 131 or 136 bill type in accordance with N.J.A.C. 8:31B-2.1 and discharged before midnight of the day of admission, so admission date and discharge date are the same; 2. Had surgery performed in a fully equipped operating room, for example, one routinely equipped and capable of providing general anesthesia, and identified by an operating room charge on the UB-PS;

    3. Had a normal discharge, for example, was not transferred, did not leave AMA, and was not discharged dead.

     

    Vincent P. Yarmlak, MBA
    Program Manager
    NJ Dept. of Health & Senior Services
    Office of Health Care Quality Assessment PO Box 360
    25 Scotch Road -Second Floor
    Ewing, NJ 08628
    Phone 609-530-7434
    Fax      609-530-7478
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  • 05-24-2007 11:42 AM In reply to

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    Missouri's definition, such as it is, is part of our definition for outpatient encounters--'Outpatient encounters means patients seen in the emergency room, patients receiving invasive procedures on an outpatient basis--CPT codes 10000-69999 and ICD-9-CM codes 01.0-86.99, inclusive--and patients receiving selected services and procedures as defined in Exhibit A of this rule.' This is probably not too helpful. I can mail you Exhibit A if you think it would help. Let me know if you have any questions.

     

    Mark Van Tuinen
    Bureau of Health Informatics
    Division of Community and Public Health
    Missouri Department of Health and Senior Services
    Telephone: 573-751- 6300
    Fax: 573-526-4102
    E-mail: Mark.VanTuinen@dhss.mo.gov
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    This is from Dian Kahn, our Director of Analysis and Data Management:

    "The collection of outpatient data since the late 1980's in Vermont has been an iterative process. Until 2001, we let the hospitals define it and only specified that it occur in an operating room. In 2001, we started to specify an ICD-9-CM code range that includes most procedures that would be considered surgical, but stopped specifying the setting in order to get records for procedures occurring outside of operating rooms. Starting with the first record for 2006, we requested the hospitals to send us "everything outpatient" that occurs in any setting for which a hospital can provide outpatient services and more than doubled the records. This is getting us more records for diagnostic procedures and treatments which are growth areas. This leaves the definition for outpatient surgery up to the data users and how they want to cut the data based on procedure codes and in some cases- revenue codes. Revenue codes are much more complex, but can help you flag things based on location of service and nature of service."

    Pat JonesDirector of Quality Assurance and Consumer Protection
    Vermont Department of Banking, Insurance, Securities and Health Care Administration
    (802) 828-2917
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    Outpatient Surgeries are usually those provided to patients that tend to be invasive in nature such as biopsies, repairs, laparoscopy & endoscopy. Outpatient surgeries are items found in the CPT manual that are between the 10,000 and 69,999 range.

    For more specific information, you may want to review the AMA CPT 2007 manual or the ICD 9 CM, Volume 3, 2007 Manual.

     

    Marc L. Sandler
    State Initiatives Program Manager
    Phone  203 949 6350
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    What we use as a definition of outpatient hospital services is where service place is designated as "22" which is defined as, "A portion of a hospital which provides diagnostic, therapeutic (both surgical and

    non-surgical) and rehabilitation services to sick or injured persons who do not require hospitalization or institutionalization."

     

    Would that be a sufficient definition.  The problem I see with the definition below is that you would really never know what you should be receiving.  Every provider could define outpatient hospital substantially different?

     

    Rachel Lindbloom, MS, LSCSW
    Office of Health Assessment
    Phone:  785-296-8629
    FAX:  785-368-7118
    rlindblo@kdhe.state.ks.us
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  • 05-24-2007 12:03 PM In reply to

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    It's funny you should ask, because I've been collecting other states' definitions lately.  There is no standard.  The common denominator is to collect all ICD-9 procs 00 to 86.99, but then there are additions and subtractions (using ICD-9, CPT, HCPCS, and revenue codes). 

    I'm hoping to get HCUP's help too to come up with something reliable.  NAHDO may be interested; I can keep you abreast.

    Lauri Scharf
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    Here in Illinois our state is currently finalizing new data reporting requirements.  Our anticipated new Outpatient Surgical procedure ranges are below.  They are currently considered "proposed" and are therefore still subject to change pending final rules from the State of Illinois.  Per the information we have at this time, we will begin collecting Outpatient Surgeries using this new range beginning with 01/01/08 discharges. 

    CPT Category III Codes (Emerging Technology): 0048T ; 0050T ; 0051T ; 0052T ; 0053T ; 0054T ;0055T ;0056T ; 0057T ; 0061T CPT Category I Codes:Surgical Procedures: 10021 – 69990;

    Invasive Procedures: 70010 – 76499; 77401 – 77416; 77520 – 77525; 78000 – 78999; 79000 – 79999; 92970 – 92997; 93000 – 93278; 93303 – 93350; 93501 – 93652; 99217 – 99220; 99281 - 99288

    Dara A. Moore
    Illinois Hospital Association - COMPdata
    1151 E. Warrenville Rd.
    Naperville, IL 60566
    630/276-5570
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    Re: Defining Ambulatory Surgery: Responses from the Listserv

    The following website contains the current definition for Ambulatory Surgery in NYS. 

    http://www.health.state.ny.us/statistics/sparcs/amb_surg/definition.htm

     

    John R. Piddock
    Director, Publications and Reports Processing Unit Bureau of Biometrics and Health Statistics,
    NYS Dept. of Health
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    Re: Defining Ambulatory Surgery: Responses from the Listserv

    From: Brian J. Balicki [mailto:bbalicki@shs.net]

    There are at least two sources of information that could be used to define outpatient surgeries, particularly if the subject data is to be used for any comparison to national data sources – such as the new national survey on ambulatory surgery. From a policy research perspective, any procedures that appear on Medicare’s list of approved outpatient procedures for payment purposes, might be a source of “definition”.  In this case, the list itself would be the de facto definition of “outpatient surgery”.  

    A second option might be to use the definition of “outpatient surgery” adopted by the National Center for Health Statistics, CDC, for its national survey of ambulatory surgery.   The link is here, http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsas.htm#what  .

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  • 06-23-2007 7:20 PM In reply to

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    Some states (FL for example) define Ambulatory Surgery as a range of CPT codes. From their website: “AS reportable events include those with a procedure that involves a valid Current Procedural Terminology (CPT) code occurring within the following ranges: 10000 through 69999, and 93500 through 93599”

    Heath Umbach [mailto:HUmbach@webmd.net]

    Ryley Fogg NAHDO IT

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